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Consider this page as a Gourding Knowledge Base. Let this be a place where we can pick each other’s brains and talents electronically. This is your place to ask gourd related questions and receive answers from your fellow gourders. Remember no question is stupid. Asking and getting answers is how people learn. We are here to learn from each other and to share all of our knowledge in the art of gourding. I am confident that among all of us this page will become a great resource for everyone involved in gourding. I will attempt to keep this page categorized by topic.

I have also added below the knowledge base a Gourding Terminology section. This should explain all the words associated with gourding.

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Business License

Question: Is there a requirement to have a business license to sell gourds on line or else where? 

Answer:  (Oz) Do you sell more than $12,000 worth of goods a year? If so you have to file taxes on that, so yes you need a business license, more info here http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/ and here http://access.wa.gov/business/index.aspx, if you sell under that amount then no you don't need a business license.

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Carving

Question: How do I hold a gourd still when trying to carve on it?

Answer: (Oz) There are a couple ways.

1. you can take a towel and roll it up length ways, then wrap it in a circle and overlap it, adjust to fit around the gourd.

2. Buy a piece of foam or styrofoam  and cut a angled circle in the middle. Curve the inside cut (remember gourds are not flat). Depending on the size of the gourds you work on you can make different sizes to hold different size gourds. (Both of these methods can also be used while carving, painting and burning).

(Alana Riveira adds:) I hold my gourds in place with a strip of the thin rubber shelf liner that has a pattern of little square holes in it. I have one strip that lays across my lap and one that I place on the table in front of my dust collector. It works very well to keep the gourds from jumping out of my hands when I am carving or wood burning.

 

Question: What is Chip Carving?

Answer: (Internet Search) Here is a online lesson of what Chip Carving is by A. B. Amis http://www.valkyrie.net/~rehmje/tutorials/chipcarving.html

Here is another website with some useful info http://happypages.com/ivyhill/carving.html.

This page has some carving patterns http://www.carvingpatterns.com/pattern-work.htm

 

Question: What tools would you recommend for the novice carver?

Answer: (Patty B) Several years ago A. B. Amis, who is a master carver, selected two chip carving tools for me. He felt they were sufficient for a novice carver. One was a straight handle 3/32" U Veiner, that at the time, cost $8.50 from Turtle Feathers. The other was 1/4" #9 with a rounded handle, also from Turtle Feathers, $12.50. I have taken a couple of classes in chip carving and find the geometry of it a challenge for me. Having a drafters compass is a big help. A. B. taught some classes at the Cherokee, N.C. gathering, but has not been attending the last couple of years. Classes are offered quite often at various gatherings. I love the looks of a finished carved gourd. I have always used a canteen gourd to work on, but any gourd that is not too thin should work.

 

Cleaning Gourds

Question: How do I clean off the outside of my moldy dirty gourd.

Answer: See the question under Safety (How can I clean my gourds so there safe?)

Question: Help~ I cleaned a gourd (Washington) and believe it or not, it's pretty thick..not as thick as Welburn's but every bit as thick as Wuertz'. but....it stinks to high heaven..yow..  I cleaned the inside out today thinking that would help..I put a wood hardener in it, let it sit then spray painted it black, but man oh man, it still stinks..any suggestions???

Answer: Oz - Before the wood hardener and paint you should have mixed a solution of water and vinegar and filled the inside of the gourd, let it sit for a little bit and dump it out. Vinegar is a natural cleaner.

Patty Burke - I had a whole lot of gourds that had been chewed by rats...some even had nesting material in them. Someone, and I am thinking it was Gloria Deterick, suggested soaking the gourd in salt water. I filled a trash can with water, added two boxes of regular salt (not iodized, although I don't know that it would make a difference) and submerged the gourds for a couple of days. It seemed to do the trick. Since you have sealed it already I'm not sure if this would still work. If it can kill rat urine odor it should work on just about anything! Have you cut any of the other gourds? Do they smell bad too? Talk to me about using wood hardener.

Charlotte Masi - Yeah, I have a suggestion ... throw it out!

Alana Riveira - I think you sprayed it too early. Get the stink out first – then hardener and spray. SOMETHING is/has caused the smell and it has to be killed/cured, now you have locked in what ever is causing the smell and it may decay after time. I use heavy scraping then Lysol Spray 99% mold and mildew killer - soak the insides and cover with plastic or its lid for 24 hours. Let dry, then repeat with a light scrape or sand and another heavy coat of Lysol spray. . If the gourd still stinks let it air out preferably in a shed or out building (not the house or garage incase it is mold) for several days or weeks, then try a spray of Febreez. I have found this works but don’t expect a quick fix. Some I have had to let air out for several months. In 4 years I have only had to throw away 2 gourds because the stink wouldn’t come out.


 

 

Cutting Gourds

Question: How do I  cut my gourds?

Answer: See the question under Tools.

 

Copyright Law

Question: How does the copyright law work? 

Answer: (Oz) Go here, look under FAQ http://www.copyright.gov/

 

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Embellishing

Question: Where can I find cheap embellishments or what can I use?

Answer: (Patty B) I haunt the garage sales, thrift stores, craft sales, etc. for any kind of junk jewelry, beads, pods, horns and antlers, basket material...anything that I think I can couch or glue on a gourd. Usually I will tear a piece of jewelry or beading apart and use pieces of it. If you have the big southern pine cones they can be torn apart and the individual petals(?) used as trim. I have used pieces of thin broken gourd in a mosaic effect. Shells or small sea glass pieces, or stones & beads can be attached the same way. Sand can be sprinkled over a thinned glue base for texture, or spray stone. Some times I can find items in the notion dept. of the fabric store that can be added as trim. I also watch for candle holders or other bases that I can set my finished gourd on. It shows the gourd to a better advantage than just sitting flat on a shelf.

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Glue

Question: I have a glue problem. I have been trying to attach a string of filigree beads, strung on a fishing line type material. If I use a glue gun it melts the line. I tried super glue but that didn't seem to work. I finally used a little dab of Gorilla Glue, but it doesn't look as good as I would like. The surface of the gourd is painted in a semi gloss.

Answer: (Myrna) Before you begin to glue a strand of beads or other embellishments, use your Dremel tool to "carve" out the line where you are going to lay your strand. Then, take your craft glue (one that dries clear like the Bob Smith Glue) and take a Q-tip or toothpick and add the glue to the carved out line. Make sure not to put too much glue in, because when you lay your strand down it will "push" the glue up. Work small areas, alternating the glue with the beads. The Wuertz Farm Gourd Festival, "Running of the Gourds" there is a vendor there that sells little tiny bottles to put your glue in and it has a very very fine tip for just this purpose.

Question: Bonnie, what glue do you use when laying in stones in your gourd art? Thanks, Dynva

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(Bonnie Gibson - Tucson, Arizona, http://ArizonaGourds.com Author: "Gourds: Southwestern Techniques & Projects from Simple to Sophisticated")  I use two different glues, depending on the size of the stone. For heishi and small stones, I use Insta-cure gap filling super glue. For larger or heavy stones, I use a combination of Weldbond and Insta-cure. Weldbond looks like heavy white glue but has the strength of epoxy. It is designed to hold dissimilar objects together. The Insta-cure works like a clamp to hold the pieces firmly together while the Weldbond dries. I put the Weldbond on most of the stone and then dots of the Insta-cure around the edges. You can get Weldbond at some hardware stores and I've started seeing it in a few craft stores as well. I have the Insta-cure on the tools page of my website, but any good brand of *gap-filling* super glue (not the thin super glue like you get at the hardware or grocery store) will work.
 

 Gourds

Question: When selecting a gourd, is there a way to know if it is a "thick" gourd or not?

Answer: To learn how to determine gourd thickness watch this video from California Gourds not to be confused with the California Gourd Society (Thanks Mary).

 

Question: How do I strengthen a thin shelled gourd?

Answer: (Dynva) To strengthen a thin shelled gourd: Petrifier is a thin runny solution you apply to a thin gourd to harden it and make it sturdy. I bought PC-Petrifier at Ace Hardware. They also carry Petrifier at Lowe's and places like that. It's about $5 a bottle but looks like it will go a long way.

Growing

Question: I was asked this question by a lady from California. What gourd grows or has the fastest seed to maturity rate?

Answer: Our member Jeanie Dixon has already answered this question on one of her webpage's, http://www.gourdsbyjeanie.com/growing.htm

Question: For the first time, I am going to attempt to grow cannonball gourds in my garden.  I have a 7 ft. fence that I would like the vines to climb.  I am worried, that if the vines climbed the fence; deer and elk would pull the vines through the fence and eat it up.  Do you know if these animals like the leaves of the gourd plant? Thank you very much, Janet, Brinnon, WA

Answer: (Jim Martin) Don't know about the deer and elk eating the vines but cannonballs have a much smaller lighter-weight stem that most gourds and they tend to come off easily.  Don't remember seeing any of the tentacles for climbing on my cannonballs last year so don't think you will have much luck with them climbing a fence.  Not all gourds are climbers.


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Jewelry Gourd

Question: Does anyone know a good source for the mini gourd AKA Jewelry Gourd? They are less than 2 inches in height and width. The ones that I have were purchased at the Indiana Gourd Show about 3 years ago. There is a decorative artist who is interested in designing packets for these little jewels.

Answer: (Oz) Have you looked at Welburn Farms? They always have a huge selection of all types of gourds. Here is the link for Jewelry Gourds http://www.welburngourdfarm.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=11

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Painting

Question: What is the rule when using oil and acrylic?

Answer: The rule of thumb is "Fat Over Lean - Never Lean Over Fat"  Oil paint is the "Fat" and Acrylic paint is the "Lean" so you can get away with painting oils over an acrylic basecoat but if you paint acrylic paint over oils, the acrylics could crack later on.  That being said, I am not sure about the oil pencils, they may have less "Fat" in them so I am hoping they will be ok.

 

Photo's (taking gourd pictures)

Here is a really good article on how to take pictures of your gourds: http://arizonagourds.com/photography.html

 

Pricing

Question: How does one go about pricing their finished gourd projects?

Answer: (Oz) I charge by the hour, but sometimes that is on a floating scale, it really depends on how much detail that I am putting into that gourd, shadow box, or whatever I'm building. Example: if your doing something that you know is only going to take a few hours it's ok to set a price. If your doing a piece that you know will take you 10 to 15 hours by all means charge by the hour. Charge what you think your time is worth and factor in the market that you will sell to

$10.00 hr  X  10 Hours  = $100.00

$15.00 hr  X  10 Hours  = $150.00

$20.00 hr  X  10 Hours  = $200.00

 

Pyrography / Woodburning

Question: What type of woodburner should I buy?

Answer: (Oz) This is a personal choice. For years I used the cheap craft burners that can be bought at most major stores ($12 to $20). I still use them to this day. As you get better and want to refine your burning detail you can move up to the hobby burners ($100 to $250).

Question: What are the differences between the cheap and expensive burners?

Answer: (Oz) I am going to answer this question with side by side comparison answers (Pros & Cons).

1. The cheap burners only have one heat setting (hot). The expensive burning systems have adjustable heat settings from mild to hot (this will give you different burning shades).

2. The cheap burners use brass tips that are screwed into the end of the burner handle. The expensive burning pens use nichrome tips. Some pens you can replace just the tips (these are ok) others you have to buy the pen with the tip welded (these are best).

3. The cheap burners handle to tip is about 2" (this means your hand is about three inches away from what your burning on). The expensive burners the blade length is about an inch, this means your hand is closer to what your burning. What's this mean you ask? Take a pen or pencil write your normal way (holding close to the paper) for an hour or two. Then take your pen or pencil and hold it about three inches higher and try writing for an hour or two. Take into account that your pen or pencil is not producing heat. Your hand gets a workout trying to burn when its higher off the material.

4. The handle of the cheap burners are fairly thick and have a metal heat dissipating ring between the handle and the metal tip shaft (don't touch this ring or the shaft because they are freaking hot). The burning pens are thinner like a fat pencil. They have a metal handle but you can buy foam handle covers for .35 cents.

5. The cheap burners have limited number of tips (nibs) around 10 to 15, you can modify these brass tips with a metal file so you have some custom tips. The expensive burners you can order a multitude of tips from skinny, fat, shading, knife blade, there are so many to choose from.

6. In conclusion, depending on if you really like Pyrography invest in a nice burning system. If your just burning a few lines here and there then a cheap burner is the way to go.

Question: Why does the burner seem to cool off while I am burning?

Answer: (Oz) If you have a fan blowing the smoke away while your burning, turn the fan so it's not blowing on the burner itself. The cool air will make the heat of the blade fluctuate in temperature. The same thing can happen just by breathing on the burner while your working.

Question: Is there a way to vent smoke away from me while burning my gourd?

Answer: (Oz) Yes, follow this link to see a economical venting system http://www.americangourdsociety.org/crafts/ventillation.html

 

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Safety

Question: Should I wear a mask when working on my gourds?

Answer: (Oz) Yes, Yes, and Yes. When gourds dry out they form a mold on the outer shell. Most gourds are cleaned when you buy them but some are not. Not all of the mold spores come off in the cleaning process. When you start sanding and cutting into the gourd it releases those mold spores and as we all know mold spores can be very bad for you. Especially those people with breathing problems already. Please read this article on gourd safety http://www.wagourdsociety.org/Safety.htm

 

Question: How can I clean my gourds so there safe?

Answer: (Oz) If your just cleaning a clean gourd mix a tablespoon of bleach into 2 quarts of water and wipe the gourd off with a clean rag dipped in the bleach solution. If your cleaning a uncleaned gourd fill a large 5 gallon bucket with water and add 1 cup of bleach. Scrub the gourd with a METAL scouring pad to remove all the mold underwater, the water will trap the mold spores so they are not floating in the air. When done scrubbing the gourd rinse with clean water and let dry outside.

(Alana Riveira adds:) On the GourdPatch this has been brought up many times and it has been suggested that when using a "metal" scrubber it should always be the "COPPER" kind. The other metals have more of a tendency to leave scratches behind. Also, when using bleaches on the gourd, you should finish by using a wash of 1/2 water to 1/2 white vinegar or a wipe of pure white vinegar to help neutralize the bleaching action. It is thought that the bleach if left on, will in time make the gourd shells weaker (especially the thinner shells) and possibly hasten color fading.

(Jim Martin adds:) When cleaning your gourds, don't place them in the sun to dry after washing. On a thick-shelled gourd, the air and moisture inside the gourd can expand and cause the gourd to crack being as the air can't escape very fast. Not usually as much of a problem with thin shelled gourds. Wearing rubber gloves is a good idea too. Let the gourds soak for 15 minutes or so, gourds float so place a wet towel over the top of the gourds to keep them uniformly wet or you will be able to clean one side and then have to wait for the other side to soften up to be cleaned.

(Shari Morley's husband Max adds:) thought I'd share one way she cleans the gourds. After they have dried she uses our short wand power washer to blast the dried skin off the shell. Scrubbing after that is minimal and the skins dry and bows away from the washing area. Max

 

Stippling

Question: What is Stippling?

Answer:  (Oz) to paint, engrave, burn, or draw by means of dots or small touches.

 

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Question: I am intimidated and very inadequate with my tools, especially my saw. I need a tool type lesson, in person. Cutting a gourd is still my biggest nemesis As I like doing mostly baskets the cutting is the big challenge for me.

Answer: (Alana Riveira) When using a Power Saw on a gourd;  Wear a dust mask! Place a rubber strip under the gourd. I either hold the gourd in my lap on a rubber strip locked between my knees or on a rubber strip on table in front of my dust filter. Hold the gourd tightly. Start the saw ONLY after the blade is fully imbedded into the gourd. It is best to have a foot pedal control for the saw and rotate the gourd into the saw. GO SLOW AND LET THE SAW DO THE WORK. Keep the saw on the gourd surface at all times to eliminate any bouncing of the saw, which may damage the gourd or break the saw blade. Stop the saw (turn power off) when you need to turn the gourd towards you to keep the cutting area in view. Don't - Leave the gourd in one place and push your saw around it with your hand, quickly the cutting area will not be visible and your hand will be in an awkward position and you will not have a solid or steady control of the saw.

 

Treatments /

Question: ?I have several tins of Gilders Paste that are dried and no longer a paste. Can these be reconstituted. Can the finish be sprayed with a clear finish

Answer: (David Wareham, AS&P Distribution) - Gilders Paste is formulated to become dry and hard for a durable wax finish, but also having the flexibility to be reconstituted or rejuvenated by adding a few drops of white spirits like paint thinner, mineral spirits or turpentine and mix in. Any one the spirits will work. We suggest mixing in a very small amount of thinner to one area in the tin and gradually adding more thinner until you get the consistency that you want. One very nice feature about the Gilders Paste becoming firm or hard is that you can dry brush with it on one side and have other areas in the tin like a cream or paint. By using the lid as a palette, you can make your own stains and washes by adding more paint thinner and when you are done add it to the tin for another day, no waste. By all means, if you or anyone has questions regarding Gilders Paste ask the manufacture at info@gilderspaste.com, on the web at www.gilderspaste.com frequently asked questions (FAQ) and tips and techniques or call us at 800-825-0029 and we would be glad to help.

 

Patching

Question: I patched a rat eaten gourd with wood filler and gave the entire gourd one coat of spray paint....but the patch is very evident. Any suggestions on how to make the patch less noticeable?

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Couch - A primer coat or layer, as of paint. To embroider by laying thread flat on a surface and fastening it by stitches at regular intervals.


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Gourd (noun) 1: any of a family (Cucurbitaceae, the gourd family) of chiefly herbaceous tendril-bearing vines including the cucumber, melon, squash, and pumpkin. 2: the fruit of a gourd : pepo; especially : any of various hard-rinded inedible fruits of plants of two genera (Lagenaria and Cucurbita) often used for ornament or for vessels and utensils. — out of one's gourd also off one's gourd : crazy


Gourdistry (Noun) gourd - ist - ry : A person who performs their artistic magic on the blank canvass of a naturally grown gourd.

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